1966 Shea Overdubs, NO CROWD. Help! & I Feel Fine

[BTL1210]

AWESOME stuff silver_2000 .... Thanks for the latest share .....

[jpgrcat1960]

These 2 tracks would be a good EP along with

the 2 tracks from 1963-04-03 EMI House-London

[silver_2000]

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Seattle, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.. NO CROWD..

the vocals are seemingly missing, must be terrible mics, but you can hear the instruments pretty well!

[nickotina]

Great work!
Seattle is just a bit too muddy, I'd leave a tiny % of the audience noise in the mix just to have some high end...
After all, in this case, we simply want to hear the guys play above their audience - not erase the audience completely.

For the Shea tapes the idea is different: you want to retrieve the studio take, therefore no audience should be heard.
And here the results are yes, encouraging, but... not yet good in my opinion!
I'm not familiar with these softwares, but i feel they'd need some more "iterations" on this... you know, feed them this result as a "starting point" and tell them to isolate that, then iterate again and again. Does it make any sense?

[silver_2000]

Great work!
Seattle is just a bit too muddy, I'd leave a tiny % of the audience noise in the mix just to have some high end...
After all, in this case, we simply want to hear the guys play above their audience - not erase the audience completely.

For the Shea tapes the idea is different: you want to retrieve the studio take, therefore no audience should be heard.
And here the results are yes, encouraging, but... not yet good in my opinion!
I'm not familiar with these softwares, but i feel they'd need some more "iterations" on this... you know, feed them this result as a "starting point" and tell them to isolate that, then iterate again and again. Does it make any sense?

The Seattle is merely a test, I agree wholeheartedly with not wanting to remove the crowd completely. I am using Ultimate Vocal Remover's Crowd HQ 1 model, this model and software are free to download and use, I recommend them!
I am maxing out the settings for the 'highest quality' separation, so it takes 15-25 minutes for 2 minute input on my Mac, but if one does default settings, could easily test it out in reasonably times.
The things you are requesting are probably in the nicer quality A.I models and software, but as a mere amateur, I don't have access to such things, I can only imagine the kind of tech that Apple has its hands on..
For the Hollywood Bowl re-release in 2015, Apple used a.i to separate the different tracks, (I am pretty sure), this was not around for amateurs at the time, from what I remember, at least to any decent quality, so that tells you how ahead of the curve they are.

I hope one of these days Apple releases the non-crowd overdub versions of the two new Shea recordings, or at least the crowd versions in decent quality, which would make the a.i crowd remover work better!

[nickotina]

I think our very own csnyfan is probably even more ahead of Apple and of Peter Jackson's MAL
But the results you got are encouraging!
I am thinking of removing the Bowl remix audience... that quality is superb, and it's just ruined by the screams!

[silver_2000]

I think our very own csnyfan is probably even more ahead of Apple and of Peter Jackson's MAL
But the results you got are encouraging!
I am thinking of removing the Bowl remix audience... that quality is superb, and it's just ruined by the screams!

I was just testing that very thing, I'll include both of the stems for you, crowd and Beatles

If I Fell, sourced from Lord Reith's Hollywood Bowl remixes, pretty clean imo

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Would love to see CsnyFan try his hand at these Shea studio tracks, I am not the best at understanding a.i ! Sure he could pull a bit more out!

[georgefromhenley]

I wonder why they did not correct the lyric flaws in the new recording for Help.

[nickotina]

I was just testing that very thing, I'll include both of the stems for you, crowd and Beatles
If I Fell, sourced from Lord Reith's Hollywood Bowl remixes, pretty clean imo

Oh Cool! There's some moments where it's nearly perfect! Then the drums gets eaten away... but still!
It's great to hear clearly. Also John's spastic "it's on the new album" sounds so crazy with no audience

Would love to see CsnyFan try his hand at these Shea studio tracks, I am not the best at understanding a.i ! Sure he could pull a bit more out!

I worked with him for the Multi.Flacs Project some years ago and he's like a wizard. He'd probably write a software on the fly to solve the drums disappearing issue hahah At the time he had a very nice "chain" that involved using Spectralayers and ISSE a lot, but I suspect these are long outdated nowadays.

[silver_2000]

I wonder why they did not correct the lyric flaws in the new recording for Help.

From the little bits I've read, the recording session seemed to be on the fly, minimal effort, it was a few days away from a well earned vacation and I think its fair to say that Lennon was not going bother holding a lyric sheet up to his face.