Has anyone watched Birth Of The Beatles on amazon?

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O1Ghungary wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 3:47 pm The problem is that all versions are originally from a VHS source with a resolution of only 320*482. Presumably Amazon used a better SD source (Betamax 625/576i maybe?).
VHS should have the full vertical resolution of 576, it's only the horizontal resolution that is less (which doesn't matter as much).
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Lord Reith wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:08 pm VHS should have the full vertical resolution of 576, it's only the horizontal resolution that is less (which doesn't matter as much).
as far as I know the VHS resolution is lower
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I believe VHS scan lines are 320 H and 525 V for NTSC.
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O1Ghungary wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:16 pm as far as I know the VHS resolution is lower
No, that chart is assuming that the vhs is ntsc (480i) that has had one of the fields thrown out, leaving it at 240p. The vertical resolution of PAL vhs is 540i (in pixels, or 625 scan lines) and NTSC vhs is 480i (525 scan lines). The horizontal resolution of vhs is somewhere around 350 and Super VHS is something like 640. Neither of them achieve the full horizontal resolution of 720.

So a PAL screening of BOTB from a print should be the full 540 vertical resolution, but a bit softer because the horizontal resolution is more or less halved.
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O1Ghungary wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:16 pm
Lord Reith wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:08 pm VHS should have the full vertical resolution of 576, it's only the horizontal resolution that is less (which doesn't matter as much).
as far as I know the VHS resolution is lower

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off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars

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WOA76 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:57 pm
O1Ghungary wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:16 pm
Lord Reith wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 10:08 pm VHS should have the full vertical resolution of 576, it's only the horizontal resolution that is less (which doesn't matter as much).
as far as I know the VHS resolution is lower

video.res.png
off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars

thank you for breaking down I just learned something again from this great group!
lol not as off topic as you think..the guy who directed Birth Of The Beatles weirdly directed Return Of The Jedi.
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silver_2000 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 8:31 pm
WOA76 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:57 pm
O1Ghungary wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:16 pm

as far as I know the VHS resolution is lower

video.res.png
off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars

thank you for breaking down I just learned something again from this great group!
lol not as off topic as you think..the guy who directed Birth Of The Beatles weirdly directed Return Of The Jedi.
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WOA76 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:57 pm
off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars
It wasn't anamorphic so the vertical resolution of that Star Wars was about 250p. No better than an SVCD of old. In fact any widescreen movies on laserdisc have subpar resoltion, especially those in cinemascope with 2.35:1 ratios.

If you want the "real" star wars trilogy in HD look for Harmy's Despecialized Editions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy's_D ... ed_Edition
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Lord Reith wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:21 pm
WOA76 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:57 pm
off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars
It wasn't anamorphic so the vertical resolution of that Star Wars was about 250p. No better than an SVCD of old. In fact any widescreen movies on laserdisc have subpar resoltion, especially those in cinemascope with 2.35:1 ratios.

If you want the "real" star wars trilogy in HD look for Harmy's Despecialized Editions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy's_D ... ed_Edition
My buddy Harmys amazing work and 4K team

To me I own LD and they look better those Special Edition DVDs came out 20 years also

But I hope BOTB done I saw years ago was gonna watch again but wait till complete cots by our amazing friends
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Lord Reith wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 10:21 pm
WOA76 wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2024 7:57 pm
off topic but NOW see why the DVD Star Wars copy is so bad the LD Master low quality I read used LD Master for uncut Star Wars
It wasn't anamorphic so the vertical resolution of that Star Wars was about 250p. No better than an SVCD of old. In fact any widescreen movies on laserdisc have subpar resoltion, especially those in cinemascope with 2.35:1 ratios.

If you want the "real" star wars trilogy in HD look for Harmy's Despecialized Editions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmy's_D ... ed_Edition
Talking about VCD yea I got Ep 4-6 and Ep 1-2 from a buddy who traveled got me in Japan to think THIS looked better on VHS at the time then there no VCDs Beatles but did get my AHDN Voyager that play on computer

So with all versions BTOT it is nice to have a full version of the movie as not seen in years

thanks to all who have done work on this
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