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mitchellmichael wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:32 pm

Track06 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:57 pm Thank you, Mrbeatleg!

Not only it has the all 4 rolls, it also is a rip of yellow dog's "day by day". A/B Road uses a folddown of it.
But what is "what we had"? it looks partially lossless while it shouldn't, noise level is lower and it runs at slightly different speed. I'm puzzled. Anybody got a clue?



What do I have to do to get the other 75 from that GOOD source? You wouldn't send the set to me for doing some exact audio copies, would you?
It's such a shame this important release isn't circulating in the quality it deserves.

I noticed the file size difference with the new Vol 29 folder vs the old. Should we beg MrBeatleg for an upload of his entire "old school" copy of this set?
That would be the quality we'd be looking for, right?

r9453 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 6:57 pm For those wondering WTF, notice there is a distinct cut-off at 15k in the Mrbeatleg version which is how I imagine it should appear. Whereas the "what we had" version goes right up to 22k (lossless).

Mrbeatleg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 5:44 pm are there any other Volumes needed?

Mrbeatleg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm here's 27, 28 and 30 as requested

hxxps://we.tl/t-4D5Lmqvbj9

Track06 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:08 am from A/B Road's notes:

This set has long been the subject of debate… is it lossy or not?

Basically the two arguments go like this:

1) Uncompressed: These thousands of 16 minute reels were recorded on a set of Nagra recorders for possible film use. The tape and recorders used likely didn't reproduce the entire spectrum from 20 Hz to 20kHz – these were not the tapes used for the albums. The lack of dynamic range on the equipment and media would produce high-end roll off around where we see the MP3 codecs of today roll off, and that makes these tapes appear lossy, when they simply were not recorded full-spectrum.

2) Compressed: Regardless of the frequency reproduction range of the recorders and media (tape), a lot of this set exhibits characteristics of ATRAC compression on a graphic frequency analyzer, like that found on MiniDisc recorders. Old analog equipment wouldn't produce these kinds of characteristics, so it is likely these tracks went through a MiniDisc recorder at some point.


The dilema: No one… NO ONE seems to have these tracks in any other quality. They all seem to be the same, no matter where you get them from, and now that the original reels have been recovered (see the story above (you were reading, weren't you ? ), it doesn't seem that we'll ever see a cleaner, more pure transfer.

It is my opinion that this set was archived from reels to MiniDisc and the source for the splicing was those MiniDisc transfers. I'd be surprised if a lossless transfer to digital was ever done of this 98 HOURS of audio. Since this seems to be all there is to have, The Traders Den has made a special exemption for this set, to allow it to be posted – just like if a concert was only recorded to MiniDisc and that's the only way it exists.

It is very rare to notice any of the ATRAC artifacts when listening to these recordings. ATRAC is much more pleasant than MP3, even at high rates, and doesn't exhibit any obvious "swishy" aliasing on this particular set, at all.

mitchellmichael wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:01 pm

Mrbeatleg wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:36 pm here's 27, 28 and 30 as requested

hxxps://we.tl/t-4D5Lmqvbj9

Would you mind uploading your older version of the complete set? Even if you have to break it out over a few days or a week or a month?