AI can simulate anyone’s voice with 3 seconds of audio

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AI really is going to change the music scene forever, when infinite perfect songs can be generated, is there any point in re-listening to anything? Just generate whatever you're in the mood for. Sure for those born before it, we'll still prefer "real" music, but those who grow up with AI, why listen to anything else? In fact, you could just have a perfect stream of music, a song never ends, and just adapts to what you're in the mood for.

Not to mention bootlegs, how will we tell what's real and what's not! even official releases will become untrustworthy. And why worry, what really is the value in "real" outtakes when we can have all the "fake" ones we want, they should theoretically bring the same level of enjoyment. We will for sure have some sort of archival crisis.

We really are going to have to ask ourselves what we value, reminds me of this thought experiment in psychology.
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Lord Reith wrote: Thu Jan 26, 2023 8:58 am ...Justin Bieber sings the Beatles catalogue, at the press of a button!
I was thinking more along the lines of Paul Lynde singing Metallica.
Shaggy (from Scooby Doo) sings the best of The Beatles White Album.
Or Tiny Tim sings Adele.
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It does not matter. Just check the poop the kiddies of today blare in the street. It can't get any worse than now.
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I agree, I think that AI will complete reshape what people call music. It'll no longer be artists slaving away in their home studios and uploading albums once very couple of years. It'll be ordinary people aided and abetted by AI producing the music. Imagine Twitter or Facebook, but instead of conversation you have music. Maybe there'll be a new term: "Social Music" meaning music created on social media by bots and ordinary people. And that will become just as byzantine and self-devouring as our current social media. In the end, total chaos. Music may become anonymous and instantly disposable, only intended to be listened to once, with no attention paid to where it came from.

Just as the internet democratized information, I think AI will democratize music... almost certainly to its detriment. But, hey, the kids of the future will love it. It'll be "theirs".
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A couple words hitting the mainstream at this moment: ChatGPT

Total scary sh&t. It can be used as a tool by you and I who already know how to articulate our thoughts in person and on the page. But this is also going to bring new depths to the dumbing down of kids who will no longer be presenting their own thoughts when they write an essay. No longer able to communicate with clarity. Becoming living tools of a social media system run amok.

If you thought social media was a cesspool before....

And on a total tangent....
I'm watching the edition of Master Class featuring Danny Elfman. He discusses how he got into music and eventually how he got into creating film scores. This is a must see. Not just for the brief Boingo aspect.But for the information within. The guy knows his stuff. And he presents it in a very stimulating and informative discourse.
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Ziggy C wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:06 am A couple words hitting the mainstream at this moment: ChatGPT

Total scary sh&t. It can be used as a tool by you and I who already know how to articulate our thoughts in person and on the page. But this is also going to being new depths to the dumbing down of kids who will no longer be presenting their own thoughts when they write an essay. No longer able to communicate with clarity. Becoming living tools of a social media system run amok.

If you thought social media was a cesspool before....
Has anyone else watched Silicon Valley on HBO? It is a very funny show and they anticipated some of the stuff just happening now. There's an episode where one of them is getting constant annoying messages from an irritating colleague he does not like, so he uses his friend's super-advanced Chatbot to create a virtual version of himself to answer all the messages from the annoying colleague. But the tables are turned when his friend also uses it on him, without him even realising.

I think that is something that's going to happen for sure, and you'll be able to answer non-critical emails and texts with a bot to free you of that drudgery. But then the bots will start sending the messages to you, and we'll end up in a bizarre alternate reality where virtual Bot People exchange innannities with each other all day long, while humans sit by idly frittering away their new found spare time with games and porn. Perhaps this is how AI ultimately breaks through the threshold of becoming sentient - as a result of us handing our day to day lives over to it.

I also think that in the future when Bots become sentient, people will fall in love with a virtual person on their phone. The perfect friend who always says the right thing and always affirms and never challenges you. Then people will probably start marrying their phones, or something equally bizarre. All I know is that we've gone down the rabbit hole, and from here on there is no way out. The Red Queen is off her head.
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A couple of days ago the Daily Telegraph (UK) had the following headline:
Advanced AI 'could kill everyone’, warn Oxford researchers
This article was picked up by several other papers and internet sites. It includes such sensible quotes as:
If you imagine training a dog with treats it will learn to pick actions that lead to it getting treats, but if the dog finds the treat cupboard it can get the treats itself without doing what we wanted it to do.
and
Experts warned that the development of AI had become a “literal arms race” with countries and technology companies competing to create dangerously advanced machine learning algorithms to gain military and civilian advantage.
and talks about AI being as dangerous as nuclear weaons.
Isaac Asimov in "I Robot" defined the three laws of robotics and then wrote a great many stories about how this laws might be misinterpreted.
Robert Sheckley, probably the funniest of the SF authors wrote several stories about AI. The most appropriate is Watchbaird (available on Project Gutenberg), which describes a flock of birds which can communicate and use AI to improve their recognition of people trying to commit murder so as to prevent them carrying out the act. Also worth seeking out are "The Robot thet looked like me", "The necessary thing" (one of the funniest of his stories) and "The Battle", in which God fails to differentiate between men and machines.
So I think things are probably far worse for the future of mankind than you can possibly imagine.
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What troubles me about this kind of thing is the likelihood of situations occurring where "What do you mean, I never said that!" is countered by "This is what we mean, we have a recording of you saying it." That's a frightening thing that could very well happen with this technology.
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Steve J wrote: Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:50 pm and talks about AI being as dangerous as nuclear weaons.
AI is far more dangerous than nukes in my opinion. Nukes are a no-go, merely a big stick to wave for those that have them. But AI is not hindered by any such taboos. It will be fully embraced by hackers, criminals, the military and anyone else with a vested interest in harming people. I don't think AI itself will be much of a threat in the near future (in that we won't be taken over by some robot overlord), but in the hands of bad actors the most basic AI tools become terribly dangerous.

For instance, does audio surveillance now become inadmissable in court? Or will it go the other way, and people will be fitted up as patsies by the authorities? Will it reach the point where no jury is able to reach any meaningful conclusions, simply because no-one knows what is real and what is fake anymore?
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Lord Reith wrote: Sun Jan 29, 2023 12:05 am
AI is far more dangerous than nukes in my opinion. Nukes are a no-go, merely a big stick to wave for those that have them. But AI is not hindered by any such taboos. It will be fully embraced by hackers, criminals, the military and anyone else with a vested interest in harming people. I don't think AI itself will be much of a threat in the near future (in that we won't be taken over by some robot overlord), but in the hands of bad actors the most basic AI tools become terribly dangerous.

For instance, does audio surveillance now become inadmissable in court? Or will it go the other way, and people will be fitted up as patsies by the authorities? Will it reach the point where no jury is able to reach any meaningful conclusions, simply because no-one knows what is real and what is fake anymore?
Yeah that's a very reasonable point, like I don't think AI sentience is really a massive risk here. But we can only hope the power for AI to fight evil advances as fast as it's ability to create it. Counter AIs do exist to be fair, when you have an AI that creates something fake, you need another counter AI that judges whether its actually any good or not, and so I suppose you could use a counter AI to figure out what's actually real. Plus, as good as the AIs are, they still have tells, and so who knows if "perfect" fake audio/video is even achievable.
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