So are we happy with these SDE sets, or do we want more?

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In a way, it's probably good that the SDE sets are getting released now that they have the technology to demix.
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The "the band" have never been able to understand is that people might want to study them from a scholarly angle as historians might study other artists. Why did they get from here to here? What were their methods in crafting songs? Why them? I think for history, being so close to when they actually happened and having limited access so as to control the image, is a real tragedy.
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For what it's worth, YES we want more sets, BUT we want MORE in the these sets.

Sorry vinylphiles, but if Apple/et al is hawking a 5 or 6 CD set, I want full CDs, even if it's just some backing tracks or Giles fiddling around with some knobs and/or a Blue Ray with the Atmos/Dolby mix. I do not want a 5 disc set that I can fit on two 79 minute CDs if I make one stereo with 1/2 the outtakes and a mono CD with the remainder of the outtakes. As I said before, that is a rip off and a 51 page book does not justify the cost.

Case in point, The Beach Boys 1972 box set just hit the streets. Granted, this was not the boys best period, but this set is made up of 6 full CDs, nicely remixing two albums, as well as including some very enjoyable outtakes as well as a full unreleased concert from the era. Now, the cost is anywhere from $100 to $150 and the book is only 48 pages, but you are definitely getting more bang for your buck.

And don't get me started on the Dylan sets... talk about getting your moneys worth! Check out his Basement Tapes or 1965 sets!

Apple/et al need to get their act together. A full Star Club set by Jackson would be nice, but something tells me we are going to get a Rubber Soul set made up of about 20 vinyl EPs, using Martin's 1985 remasters, costing somewhere around $600.
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beatlbay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:25 am Case in point, The Beach Boys 1972 box set just hit the streets. Granted, this was not the boys best period, but this set is made up of 6 full CDs, nicely remixing two albums, as well as including some very enjoyable outtakes as well as a full unreleased concert from the era. Now, the cost is anywhere from $100 to $150 and the book is only 48 pages, but you are definitely getting more bang for your buck.
And Neil Young has issued the deluxe of his "Harvest" on 3 CD + 2 DVD. CD3 has exactly - 3 songs :lol:
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zaval80 wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:41 am
beatlbay wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:25 am Case in point, The Beach Boys 1972 box set just hit the streets. Granted, this was not the boys best period, but this set is made up of 6 full CDs, nicely remixing two albums, as well as including some very enjoyable outtakes as well as a full unreleased concert from the era. Now, the cost is anywhere from $100 to $150 and the book is only 48 pages, but you are definitely getting more bang for your buck.
And Neil Young has issued the deluxe of his "Harvest" on 3 CD + 2 DVD. CD3 has exactly - 3 songs :lol:
Well, I guess Neil has been getting finance advice from Paul... doesn't surprise me.....
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skynet wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 2:47 am
Well Said dear lord... my fear (and almost belief) is that after they get to Please Please Me Eventually, they will wait for the 100th anniversary to release the rest of the session tapes or even to provide a cloud service for download, which is a shame, to be honest, i am thankful to get what we all got already, either officially or unofficialy, ... you know before mid 80s, none of us expected to have more than a couple of crappy sounding bootlegs, with few discoveries here and there, but then ultra rare tracks and unsurpassed masters opened a big door, which i am thankful to have lived (as lots of people here), then the rest is history as they said... (and i have yield and bough the SDE revolver in digital HD format just for the session tapes and the LPs, i used to bought both versions - LPs and CDs when the Dolby Atmos mix was included, but for Revolver this was not the case), so by now i am looking to see what they release for the remaining albums (as marginal as it may be)... but i won't expect to see what's next beyond that, sadly
At this point in my life I have become very specialised and focused on one period: the pre-1964 years. Mostly this is because this is just my favourite period, but also any collector must focus on one period to avoid being completely overwhelmed by the magnitude of his task. An art collector may focus almost soley on one particular decade of one artist's output, and make that his life's mission. It's easier to concentrate on a micro-world like that than to try and "have everything" which is clearly impossible, and I think anyone who goes down that rabbit hole is destined to live out his days in ever increasing despair.

So from my point of view, having long ago chosen to focus on the early years I have greeted the SDE sets with welcome gladness but not salivated over them in the way I once might have some 40 years ago. In fact, I've barely listened to the White Album outtakes and I still haven't listened to all the AR and LIB outtakes (although I was really glad to have the "Huge Medley" and the Get Back leaked Japanese version in great quality, for purely sentimental reasons). If these had been unknown outtakes from With The Beatles then they would have been on a constant daily loop.

Likewise, I don't get much out of the blurays. I love AHDN and HELP but how many times can you watch a movie? It's not like an album where you can just play a few songs. I would be far more interested in quality releases of their tv shows, but that looks destined never to happen.

It's kind of frustrating as a collector that my favourite period is so poorly served, but thankfully much early material has surfaced over the past decade, more than enough to keep me happy. But I sure wish Apple would make it all available as a download or something. This is important cultural history. A Beatles streaming channel is an obvious thing, and I have been saying this for years but now is surely the time when you've got an increasing array of channels which show only their own content and nothing else. Apple have piles of tapes and videos... they even have the full Get Back sessions in HD. Plus zillions of film trims and outtakes. Enough to support an amazing streaming channel that would pull in piles of new fans and make them a lot of money. Just imagine the buzz on social media as Apple announce each month's roster of rarities, or the ways in which fans could finally open a dialogue with their masters about what they actually want to see and hear.

But instead, they're playing catch-up to the 1990s, releasing luxury box sets to an ever-dwindling market which will soon be gone. For a band that was so imaginative, their brand is showing an astonishing lack of vision.
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IMO Apple / The Beatles want their releases to be some kind of event. A streaming channel could not provide this. What I like about their SDEs is, they do not push a copy of the album on vinyl on me, unlike Led Zep, Stones, and my fave band The Doors. Their boxes and those of The Who are always welcome by me, as the model is IMO nice and clear: a decent thick book and several CDs (plus DVD or BR, or even none of these), but nothing like a copy of the main album on vinyl repeating the CD content which I find offensive. I hope this model will stay viable.

That their box sets are luxury, that's a trend of the last 10 years which I don't like particularly, but what could be done about this now that such box sets have become the new standard. So far, their releases of this kind IMO present decent bang for the buck. (Sure I LOVE the way the Beach Boys' releases are stuffed with goods, but the books in their boxes coulda have more pages.)
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A subscription streaming service, you say? I suppose the inclusion of truly hidden treasures from the vault would be a draw,....up to a point.

Sirius/XM has The Beatles Channel. It started by featuring exclusively The Beatles. And their respective solo releases. And now, it includes specialty programming, which is nice. But one can only run through the same old songs so many times before it becomes tiresome. More recently, as in the last couple years, the format has expanded to include artists that influenced The Beatles, and famous (and not so famous) covers of Beatles songs. And now, artists who were influenced BY The Beatles. Which is pretty much everyone.

What started as a Beatles station has transformed, out of necessity, into a catch-all kind of station which has The Beatles as its central theme rather than its sole artist. Listening to a Bruce Springsteen interview (far from my favorite artist) which is only there to plug a live track where Bruce sits in with Paul McCartney at one of his gigs. I dunno. Not my cup of tea. This kind of transformation of a planned "all (name your band), all the time" format inevitably devolves into something resembling like any other station.

It might be worth a try. But logistically, I don't see how it would sustain itself. Especially since, as has been mentioned before, fans are dropping like flies. I can think of only a handful of people that might be around for the 150th anniversary of SPLHCB. And that's only if they can abstain from eating too many carrots.

Odd creatures, them carrots. If I'm not wrong, I believe the documented stat is that 85% of everyone who perished in the 1900 Galveston Hurricane had eaten carrots at some point in their lives. And 100% of all those who ate carrots in 1892 are no longer here. Why is that. Why are carrots so bad for us?? I like carrots. And I'll tell you this,...I'm gonna keep eating them.
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100 percent!?!?!
wow. delicious but deadly. I'm with on that. They call me carrot-topped. :oops:
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